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Comment on Zoroastrianism

Hello, I randomly came across this article and noticed it makes some unusual claims about Zoroastrianism that are unlikely to be true. Though I am not an expert in Zoroastrian history, beliefs, and practices, I would like to ask the editors of this page to consider redacting or modifying what is written about Zoroastrianism to make sure it is based on facts and sound scholarship. For example, the wording of the article suggests that Zoroastrianism advocates a form of hedonism in principled opposition to asceticism, which is a baseless claim as far as I know. The given source in the article mention that Zoroastrians practiced moderation and rejected hedonism as well as asceticism.

The sub-topic farther down in the article which tries to explain how Zoroastrianism is against asceticism is nonsensical and was likely not written by any qualified scholar. (What does asceticism have to do, if anything, with "good thoughts, good words, good deeds" or keeping chaos at bay?) Even the reference to Encyclopedia Britannica which is provided, that claims that Zoroastrianism "forbids" fasting should be verified. I would like to see where in the Avesta it says this; the following article from a more reputable source says that fasting is only "implicitly" rejected in Zoroastrian tradition and does not anywhere mention its prohibition in the Avesta: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/fasting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.38.123.218 (talk) 20:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

@S Khemadhammo has proposed a merger of this article and Mortification of the flesh.

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Oppose: Asceticism comes in many varieties some of which does not include mortification of flesh, as this article and the cited sources explain. Similarly, there are ritual practices that involve "mortification of the flesh", such as Magdarame in Philippines during the Christian holy week and Tatbir among Shia Muslims. This mortification has little to do with a life of asceticism. Two different topics these are, and therefore we should retain two different wikipedia articles for these topics. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:51, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. My main reason for suggesting the merger is that the article about mortification is only focused on Christianity. Merging it into the article on Ascetism might have solved this.--S Khemadhammo (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Description of a Holy Man

This is what should be done By one who is skilled in goodness, And who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, Straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, Contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, Not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing That the wise would later reprove. Wishing: In gladness and in saftey, May all beings be at ease. Whatever living beings there may be; Whether they are weak or strong, omitting none, The great or the mighty, medium, short or small, The seen and the unseen, Those living near and far away, Those born and to-be-born, May all beings be at ease! Let none deceive another, Or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life Her child, her only child, So with a boundless heart Should one cherish all living beings: Radiating kindness over the entire world Spreading upwards to the skies, And downwards to the depths; Outwards and unbounded, Freed from hatred and ill-will. Whether standing or walking, seated or lying down Free from drowsiness, One should sustain this recollection. This is said to be the sublime abiding. By not holding to fixed views, The pure-hearted one, having clarity of vision, Being freed from all sense desires, Is not born again into this world.                                                                                                                             — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C:4001:4433:244E:70AF:AEC:D78B (talk) 13:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Aren't Wiki pages usually written in a chronological timeline when talking about the history of something?JanderVK (talk) 15:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on Epicureanism

Epicureanism is listed as an example of as ascetic philosophical tradition. This seems unlikely to me, as the philosophy has pleasure as its main goal. I am not an expert by any means so I haven't edited the page directly, but this seems like something that deserves attention. If Epicureanism is ascetic this could perhaps be clarified. Willem640 (talk) 19:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]